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Post by Matev on May 7, 2012 8:33:28 GMT -8
People don't like being told what to do, especially an action to them that seems arbitrary. Those that have asked for more detail appeared to like it better, though I'll need to read the main discourse and see how it fares in public...
EDIT: Thanks for covering me Smoove. I did indeed RNG the targets because I figured it would be better to confirm knights today rather than worry about our own hides.
Also, I would like to go on record as saying that splitting people into cells doesn't seem like the hottest idea to me, I don't have a specific reason yet, but it gets me woogie...
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Post by Alegis on May 7, 2012 8:48:01 GMT -8
For the lynch vote, either EVERYONE of us votes, or no one votes - is my opinion.
Else you get the problem that the mafia % will be higher (than in a mandatory 'everyone votes', where I expect it to be ~20-25%)
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Post by mrblarney on May 7, 2012 8:55:08 GMT -8
Even if it were a "role call", I'm perfectly fine with invoking it. You use every tool at your disposal, and that includes the much-despised "role call" - that's why you put in protections so that the players don't try it in the first place. I agree that we're not doing anything bad by asking the Knights to direct their actions and to use Meditation.
But perhaps there's a better plan of action available. Considering the rest of the Order's opposition to the plan, perhaps we should come up with a different plan. I'm trying to come up with a table upon which Knights should roll their orders privately so that the Sith can have no knowledge of individual actions, but none seem to be as efficient as setting everyone to Meditation and Support.
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Post by capfalcon on May 7, 2012 9:19:10 GMT -8
For the lynch vote, either EVERYONE of us votes, or no one votes - is my opinion. Else you get the problem that the mafia % will be higher (than in a mandatory 'everyone votes', where I expect it to be ~20-25%) And I'm going to view it as suspicious if you don't want a second vote record going on. It's another kill that is (mostly) good controlled.
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Post by Alegis on May 7, 2012 9:20:41 GMT -8
Even if it were a "role call", I'm perfectly fine with invoking it. You use every tool at your disposal, and that includes the much-despised "role call" - that's why you put in protections so that the players don't try it in the first place. I agree that we're not doing anything bad by asking the Knights to direct their actions and to use Meditation. But perhaps there's a better plan of action available. Considering the rest of the Order's opposition to the plan, perhaps we should come up with a different plan. I'm trying to come up with a table upon which Knights should roll their orders privately so that the Sith can have no knowledge of individual actions, but none seem to be as efficient as setting everyone to Meditation and Support. Would be nice if masters were able to submit their orders here after vote close (and before narration), but I know I won't be able to do that as I'll be sleeping
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Post by Matev on May 7, 2012 9:22:21 GMT -8
And I'm going to view it as suspicious if you don't want a second vote record going on. It's another kill that is (mostly) good controlled. The problem is without information it's no more useful than the village vote. I would recommend we hold off on a council vote today if we can convince the order to enact a meditation plan. Once we have that, we'll have data to start working through.
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Post by Alegis on May 7, 2012 9:23:29 GMT -8
I can actually agree with that.
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Post by capfalcon on May 7, 2012 9:27:04 GMT -8
And I'm going to view it as suspicious if you don't want a second vote record going on. It's another kill that is (mostly) good controlled. The problem is without information it's no more useful than the village vote. I would recommend we hold off on a council vote today if we can convince the order to enact a meditation plan. Once we have that, we'll have data to start working through. So, should we try and get everyone in the thread to not vote people out?
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Post by Matev on May 7, 2012 9:29:40 GMT -8
We can't really do that Cap, obviously. However, since we have the choice to use our power, I say we do actually act wise and not shoot ourselves in the foot unnecessarily.
Chance of us hitting a sith night 1? Same as the village, which is just not enough for me to justify it since we have a method for getting some information. It's not perfect, but it's better then swinging sabers around the dark (hurr hurr)
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Post by smooveop on May 7, 2012 9:31:20 GMT -8
I have tried my hand at convincing the village of a mass meditation. They didn't like it.
Looks like the favor is moving towards smaller 1/2/2 teams. Maybe we can convince each of our strike teams to do a self-check with in group meditations.
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Post by Matev on May 7, 2012 9:33:39 GMT -8
Maybe, but there are some people at there who seem to think do any seering is just asking to get blocked and not get any info. The problem is if everyone does it, then that still nets us some info. If only some people do it without confirmations, then it doesn't work half as well.
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Post by mrblarney on May 7, 2012 9:34:50 GMT -8
I still think we need to use our Council vote, since the power we don't use now gets distributed to others later in the game, including the Sith. Now, it may be just a fraction of a kill in expected terms, but still, every point counts.
Thinking a bit more on the Meditation plan, if people are worried about Sith influence, how about a variant where each Knight randomly rolls a virtual 1d10 to choose a Council member to target? By the laws of probability, there will likely be redundancies and gaps in our knowledge, but what we lose in efficiency, we can better protect ourselves against Sith manipulations. Shall I promote this plan in the thread?
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Post by smooveop on May 7, 2012 9:39:28 GMT -8
MrB, that works if they call out the number they rolled after vote close, but before narration.
If they wait til after narration, they'll just claim that they seered somebody dead and tell us the dead person's alignment.
You still need the Padawans to tattle on their lying Knights.
I think its worth putting into the thread, but there is a contingent that thinks info about us is useless. I am inclined to agree to a certain extent. We won't be around long.
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Post by Matev on May 7, 2012 9:40:54 GMT -8
You can try, but I doubt they'll listen. They're all about compartmentalizing and letting themselves get gobbled up piecemeal at this point.
I'm somewhat in agreement that seering us is a somewhat forlorn thing at the moment. Best to seer knights, as they've the most potential of all the groups.
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Post by smooveop on May 7, 2012 10:24:42 GMT -8
Saber messaged me and wants to know if there are any Council powers. Is there any harm in letting him know we have our own vote? Presumably, if he is Sith, he already knows. Is this the kind of thing the village should know about?
I also assume the village will know about our kill after narration tonight.
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